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P.S. I'd forgotten, but of course a relevant passage in regard to my point 3 occurs in TCL itself, when Berlin invokes, in his critique of the development of "positive liberty" into a rationale for tutelary authoritarianism, of "defenders of authority, from Victorian schoolmasters and colonial administrators to the latest nationalist or Communist dictator" ("Two Concepts of Liberty," Liberty 198)

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Thanks for this Eric. I’m currently facing two tight deadlines (and the usual admin load), so my response (for now at least) will be far less full, careful, and documented than I’d like (and blunter). While your observations (or “impressions”) on Berlin’s “digressions” are deeply thoughtful and thought-provoking, I think it’s going too far—to the point of distortion of Berlin’s beliefs and intentions—to say that he accepts or endorses key premises of a civilizing mission for liberalism. Among other reasons, this strikes me as contrary to Berlin’s thought as I tend to read it because:

1) While I think that Berlin often DOES endorse or assume a picture of cultures or civilizations as “wholes” which is …. Dubious and even dangerous (as Steven Lukes has noted), he also seems to pretty clearly endorse the Vico/Herder view that civilizations can’t be ranked or seen in progressive terms where more “advanced” are always better; he also seems to me pretty sympathetic to Herder’s opposition to civilizing missions. The tenor of IB’s writings on nationalism (and Zionism) is to be highly critical of “civilizing missions” and of failures to appreciate the importance of the desires both for political self-rule/self-determination, and for recognition of the validity of different cultures. And one of the implications of value-pluralism—Berlin’s “master idea”—as well as the philosophy of history that Berlin consistently articulates, is that we shouldn’t adopt simple rankings of societies or belief in linear progress: improvements in terms of some values will generally come at costs to other values.

2) A major purpose of TCL is to argue AGAINST the claim that “freedom for an Oxford don is different from freedom for an Egyptian peasant.” Berlin insists that freedom is the same for both—for all—and that some degree of freedom is necessary for everyone to live what we might identify as a decent life, which involves both a capacity to make choices for oneself, and the avoidance of terrible suffering. But IB makes two significant concessions: first, as you note, he stresses that this (clearly) is not a view that has always been held—he is impressed by scholarship suggesting the modernity of the idea of “negative” liberty (not only his reading of Constant, but Michel Villey’s claims about the origins of the idea of subjective rights). Second, he acknowledges that there may be greater practical urgency to secure other goods in certain circumstances; and that liberty must be balanced/traded off against other goods. One might object to these concessions, or their implications. And Berlin is very slippery in his underling theory of values –he asserts that liberty etc. are “objective” values, but is ambiguous or inconsistent between the view that values are “objective” in the sense that they arise from/are rendered valuable by certain intrinsic needs of human nature, and that they are “objective” in the sense that it is a fact that they really are valued by people (and, more broadly, form parts of cultural wholes/lifeworlds/etc.) (IIRC Henry Hardy and I have discussed this a bit in our entry on IB for the SEP).

3) The critique of “positive liberty” in TCL is an argument against tutelary despotism of various sorts. At the same time, you’re quite right that Berlin soft-pedals the sheer cruelty, venality, and depravity of colonial violence; and his tendency to connect imperial projects to the notion of altruistic paternalism has the effect of making it seem more noble in intention, if no less disastrous in effect. This comes out in Berlin’s statement in a conversation in 1964, in which he summarizes the reasoning behind paternalistic despotism as he understands it:

“’Human beings are children. We must first herd them together, create certain institutions, make them obey orders, and we hope later they will see how well we’ve done for them, and they will become rational …’ This is exactly what the British Empire felt towards coloured people in Africa, it’s exactly what schoolmasters feel towards children, and it always leads to bad consequences in the end. It’s quite honourable.”

We might see this too as a (perhaps overly, and dangerously) concessive rhetorical strategy in trying to reach his British (and American) audience: granted you THINK you’re acting for good reasons, you’re still going terribly wrong. (FWIW, I read the claim about people preferring to be ruled by despots of their own to rule by “by some cautious, just, gentle, well-meaning administrator from outside” as not asserting that all British [or other] colonial rule was cautious, just, and gentle; but rather that EVEN IN THOSE CASES WHERE IT WAS, the colonized objected to it more than to rule by members of their own communities. Here I think it’s useful to bear in mind that Berlin knew many British colonial administrators – including those who opposed his own dearly-held goal of Jewish self-rule in what was then Mandate Palestine—and recognized some of them as idealistic and altruistic, others as bigoted and brutal. Some of these (by then ex-) administrators, as Berlin’s colleagues at All Souls, would likely have been in the audience when TCL was delivered. Confrontation was not IB’s style. So one can see why he would soft-pedal on this. But that strikes me as different than presenting a brief for a civilizing mission.

4) I don’t quite understand your point about IB’s subtle misreading of Constant (too subtle for my coarse mind perhaps). IB is not saying that Constant valued ONLY modern liberty (just as IB doesn’t value ONLY negative liberty). IB IS claiming that Constant (and Mill) demand a greater DEGREE of modern/negative liberty (as he says, a “maximum degree”—though it’s not clear what this means; and on one reading it seems clearly false—Mill and Constant don’t advocate for completely unfettered freedom-from-interference) than had been claimed/desired in the ancient world—and by most people at most times. And I think your misreading (if I am right that that’s what it is) of IB here may reflect a larger misunderstanding of his point, alluded to above: that claims for a MAXIMUM (or, a much wider degree) of “negative liberty” is fairly rare, historically, and may not be accepted by many. This strikes me as a) empirically true and b) an important point in understanding the fierce opposition, both in Western and non-Western cultures, among various classes, nations, and religions, to claims for (e.g.) sexual freedoms (or other forms of Millian “experiments in living”) that “we” liberals (or, at least, many of us, including you and I) hold passionately dear.

Apologies if any of this is unclear or poorly framed; and I’m sorry that I don’t have time to go back to find and cite/quote the textual evidence that I’m basing much of this on – but taking another look at Berlin’s writings on nationalism and Zionism, on Vico and Herder, on “Political ideas in the Twentieth Century” and some of the late-life writings on pluralism, might be helpful) -- Josh Cherniss

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